Since the blog is silent I thought I'd throw out another topic. I think it's one we all must wrestle with from time to time. That is, how do we know God's plans in our lives vs. our own?
To explain, let me give a little background overview of how I have approached the issue. In the beginning, the first thing God commanded was to multiply, and subdue the Earth. God doesn't tell Adam what that is supposed to look like. He gives him free reign within the few commandments he's given, and of course I note in this that Man's authority descends and therefore is subordinate to God's authority. Next, God brings the animals to man "to see what he would call them." If God wanted to control man's every thought, word, and deed than it would seem logical that he would give Adam commands or inspiration as to what to call them; it would seem that is not God's intention than. Next, God who is omnipresent, all knowing, and willing to protect man by giving him commands to preserve his life...chooses to be absent in the day of temptation, in fact it seems based on how God "walked" in the cool of Garden that even though he can be everywhere at once, he isolated his presence down to a small part in the garden at anyone time. So it's not a stretch to imagine that he was frequently absent from the garden.
From this I gather that God's way is for us to submit our ways to his, rather than holding our every action awaiting the go ahead.
Further, I consider the breath of scripture and considering the long gaps in people's lives between which God does nothing obvious to people (though no doubt he was ever working in the background), which leads me again to reinforce the same idea that God wants both to play, but also to sit back and coach. Just as a Father intervenes to save and to teach, but often stands back to let the child discover and practice. Still more, I consider all the commands where God instructs us to pursue our desires, ambitions etc...
Deu 12:20 When the LORD thy God shall enlarge thy border, as he hath promised thee, and thou shalt say, I will eat flesh, because thy soul longeth to eat flesh; thou mayest eat flesh, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after.
21 If the place which the LORD thy God hath chosen to put his name there be too far from thee, then thou shalt kill of thy herd and of thy flock, which the LORD hath given thee, as I have commanded thee, and thou shalt eat in thy gates whatsoever thy soul lusteth after.
God wants us to pursue our desires...
Deu 15:9 Beware that there be not a thought in thy wicked heart, saying, The seventh year, the year of release, is at hand; and thine eye be evil against thy poor brother, and thou givest him nought; and he cry unto the LORD against thee, and it be sin unto thee.
10 Thou shalt surely give him, and thine heart shall not be grieved when thou givest unto him: because that for this thing the LORD thy God shall bless thee in all thy works, and in all that thou puttest thine hand unto.
God will bless us in our works AND in all that we put our hands unto, if we obey.
Pro 12:5 The thoughts of the righteous are right: but the counsels of the wicked are deceit.
Pro 16:3 Commit thy works unto the LORD, and thy thoughts shall be established.
Pro 21:5 The thoughts of the diligent tend only to plenteousness; but of every one that is hasty only to want.
In all three of those the word thoughts can be rendered plans, it is the same word that is rendered in Jeremiah as "I know the PLANS I have for you..." So it would seem that God is interested in establishing the plans of the righteous/commit their works unto him. I have had it presented to me that, a man should have no plans rather wait on the Lord, but if that is the case than what point is there in having a mind at all? Why am I given the capacity to think if my only function is to wait and listen? My experience, if my thoughts are necessarily useless to God, is that my thoughts only get in the way of listening to God, therefore it would seem that thinking is a distraction from God.
I reject this because what point would there be in study if my mind was not to be engaged? Sure the Spirit discerns the scriptures, but doesn't he use the mind to process? How can a man be prudent/cunning if he can't understand where he's going or make any plans for it?
Pro 13:16 Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.
Pro 14:8 The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way: but the folly of fools is deceit.
Pro 14:15 The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.
Pro 14:18 The simple inherit folly: but the prudent are crowned with knowledge.
The cunning (meaning the one who makes bare in other words he sees through), deals with knowlegde; understands where's he's come, is and goes; looks to what's about to happen and grows in knowledge.
Pro 22:3 A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.
Pro 27:12 A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself; but the simple pass on, and are punished.
The prudent man must forsee evil. If this was meant to be "the praying man listens to God and does seemingly random things because God sees evil coming," then why the emphasis on knowledge and understanding? Why be cunning, if all I have to be is tuned in?
Having said that, what do we then do with the times when God does intervene? We are not told of any reason that Abraham wanted to leave his father's house and strike out on his own, traveling through countries where he felt afraid for his life. Or Hagar, did she think it desirable to be kicked out of Abraham's protection? Did the apostles think the ministry was a better idea than fishing or tax collecting?
Clearly God also has his own plans...destinies if you will, a purpose higher than our own plans...left to ourselves, I think most of a our plans would end up being quite petty anyways. But, and this is where it meets the real world, it would be easy to have an arch angel or a booming audible voice come to me with a message and go...hmm...ok, whatever you say. But I've never had that happen. In my experience, my 'promptings' come in the form of doors closed in my face, biblical prohibitions, obvious wisdom, and usually lastly somekind of intangible in that general order. I suppose sometimes, I do have a very persistant urging that won't go away, but I can't think of anything more major than personal confession or a hard word that that has influenced. Not to say those are minor things, but I've never felt some really powerful inner urging to...move somewhere or marry someone or buy a house, sell a car, anything.
But I have met people who have very strong feelings about such things. And in some cases I see a lot of their choices and I can't believe that God would be so random. And I mean that, I don't believe God is so random. It seems almost cruel to constantly tear a man's work down or to never let him see any purpose behind his labour. I mean which is worse to have no goals because you believe God is just going to take them away, to have goals only to feel that God is tearing you away from each of them before you can accomplish it, or to firmly hold to a plan (that has no sin mind you) and be unable to tell when God is trying to change your course?
I'm not saying those are the only possibilities, or that I completely hashed out anything. But these are actually some questions that I am personally facing. It started the other day...well actually it started earlier, but that detail isn't important. When I had someone else, who strikes me as making more effort to be atuned to the Spirit, suggest to me that a course of action that I had thought much over and committed considerable resource to accomplish believing it was the right course was in fact going to lead to considerable evil consequences. In this particular case the reason was based on a number of dreams that I had had, and that another third party had had. I pretty much rejected the idea for whatever reason, but I am still thinking and praying about it.
In my search, I kept coming to two things that recurred. On the one hand, I am increasingly frustrated by the idea because, I'm like "how can it possibly be of God to have them 'waste' all this time, effort, and money, forsake everything that was prayerfully and carefully planned before; all on account of a couple of dreams that are vague and the interpretations do not account for the whole dream?"
But the other thing that came to mind was a question. See, these series of dreams do seem to share similar elements...and the people to whom these interpretations have occurred are people to whom a certain amount of...preconception seems to have been given. For example in the current situation there's a person who dreamed about meeting people by face and name before she actually met them. In another, case someone who wasn't involved in this incident saw a poster and then interpreted it as a warning, passed it on to another set of people, who failed to relay it to the subject of the warning and that person became deathly ill from an unusual incident.
So the question that came to me is, if it were God trying to turn the wheel...what would I take from him that I would accept as proof? How could I test him and know that it was him speaking? Especially if my understanding of the situation is opposite of the interpretation?
Fire away...